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1  Female Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Female Multiple Orgasm Main Board / MOVED: new theory of female orgasm-22 on: October 22, 2011, 11:39:51 AM
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2  Female Multiple Orgasm Forum / General Discussion / Re: Changing username? on: August 04, 2009, 08:34:57 PM
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4  Female Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Female Multiple Orgasm Main Board / MOVED: Changing username? on: August 01, 2009, 09:30:48 PM
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5  Female Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Female Multiple Orgasm Main Board / study on vibrators mentioning FMOs on: October 09, 2008, 01:06:07 PM
Hello All,

I came across this study comparing 3 brands of vibrators, on the Eroscillator site. It compares the Prelude, the Hitachi Magic Wand and of course, the Eroscillator. Multiple orgasms are mentioned and according to the study, the Eroscillator were the "most likely to result in multiple orgasm", but they didn't give precise figures for FMOs, only for "high intensity" orgasm.

It talks a bit about the history of the use of vibrators, which is interesting as well.

If any of you have any particular goodies that work particularly well for stimulating FMO's please share them with us!

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Source: http://eu.eroscillator.com/eroscillator/university_study.aspx

University study - comparative test of three vibrator types

Psycho-Sensory Comparative Testing of Three Different Types of Vibrators (Hitachi Wand, Prelude and Eroscillator used as Sensual Massagers).


Louis Lieberman, Ph.D.
Mary Cuadrado, M.P.A.
City University of New York

"The suggestion of a sex therapist to a client to "use a vibrator" should be made with an awareness of the relative efficiency of the three main types available for use in the treatment of orgasmic dysfunction in women."
Introduction

The use of vibrators and massagers as a source of sexual stimulation appears to have existed at least as long as men and women were exposed to their stimulating properties through legitimate professional massaging session and in barber shops where "Swedish" type massager (one that is strapped on to the back of the hand) was used for neck and facial massage. This type and others similar to it can be traced back to the early twentieth century. The phallic shaped, battery operated cylinders appeared in the 1950s, seemingly designed to be inserted into the vagina as a penis substitute. No instructions for their use, however, came with the machine but it’s limitation at first to sex shops and sex publications left little doubt as to it’s primary function. 

Other types began to appear in the early 1960s ostensibly for scalp and facial and "spot" massaging, but again, their advertisements for sale by mail through sex magazines defined their more pertinent usage. By then, writers of popular sex manuals were already suggesting the use of vibrators for women who were having troubles with orgasmic response. For example, as early as 1949, Clark recommended its use in the Employment of Love in Marriage (Clark, L. The Enjoyment of Love in Marriage, New York : Crest Books, 1949) as did Kelly in Sex Manual (Kelly, G.K., Sex Manual, 8th ed. August, Georgia : Southern Medical Supply Co., 1959) and Albert Ellis in The Art and Science of Love (Ellis, A., The Art and Science of Love, New York :Lyle Stuart, 1960). 

It was not until April 1966 that the mention of the use of vibrators moved out of the sub-rosa press and the literature of "do-it-yourself" sex manuals, where its function was primarily as a sexual novelty. In the latter 1960s vibrators became associated with the scientific study of sexual functioning carried out by Masters and Johnson and reported in their book : Human Sexual Response. 

At about the same time, January, 1966, Mary Jane Sherfey, M.D., a traditionally trained psychoanalyst reported, in an article in the Journal of The American Psychoanalytic Association and later in her book The Nature and Evolution of Female Sexuality (Sherfey, Mary J., M.D. The Nature and Evolution of Female Sexuality, New York : Random House, 1972, p. 110) that :

" In clinical practice, a number of married and single women using the electric vibrator have come to my attention. From the standpoint of normal physiological functioning, these women exhibit a healthy, uninhibited sexuality – and the number of orgasms attained, a measure of the human female’s orgasmic potentiality". 

The very influential work of the renowned sex therapist and educator, Helen Singer Kaplan, M.D., Ph.D., then Head of the Sex Therapy and Education Program, Payne Whitney Clinic of the New York Hospital, also suggested the use of vibrators in the treatment of nonorgasmic females. 

In her book, The New Sex Therapy : Active Treatment of Sexual Dysfunction (Kaplan, Helen S., The New Sex Therapy : Active Treatment of Sexual Dysfunction, New York : Brunner/Mazel, 1974), Dr. Kaplan notes several ways in which a vibrator may be used as an aid in the treatment of orgasmic dysfunction. For one, she suggests a variant of combined penile insertion and vibrator assisted clitoral stimulation because : "Some women who are highly resistant to coital orgasm are able to climax when they are stimulated with a vibrator during coitus." (p.407) She also suggests that for those women who have never had an orgasm (primary absolute orgasmic dysfunction), should the manual masturbation not be of sufficient intensity to elicit the orgasmic response, then a vibrator is indicated. "The vibrator provides the strongest, most intense stimulation known." (p. 388)
The study

The main purpose of these university testing is to compare the effectiveness of three types of vibrators on these two dimensions : 
the usefulness of the type to bring a woman to orgasm in as short a time as possible
the overall satisfaction with the physical shape and aesthetic aspects of the use of these devices. 


The three types of vibrators used for the study were the :

1) coil-operated Prelude III
2) motor-driven Hitachi Magic Wand and
3) an oscillating head, The Eroscillator

Since the oscillating head is a new type, specifically designed for stimulating the clitoral shaft and the mons area, the only brand that could be chosen for these comparisons was the Eroscillator. The Eroscillator is, strictly speaking, not a vibrator since the stimulation comes from the "oscillating" motion of the several heads (a three-inch finger-like head, a one inch diameter "grape cluster" and a one inch cup) from side to side, with 3600 constant movements per minute, rather than the up and down vibrations of the other types of vibrator. The sample for this study consisted of thirty (30) women volunteers, rs.  Al of whom were over the age of 21. The testing was carried out by themselves, in the privacy of their own home, and all interviews were conducted by a female interviewer with full assurances of confidentiality of information. The data collected was from self reporting sources since the success of using, and satisfaction with, these vibrators in different situations are essentially subjective in nature.
The findings

The thirty (30) women in the sample ranged in age from 24 to 47. Most (24 of the 30) were living with their husbands or were living alone but had an ongoing sexual relationship. Over two fifths were high school graduates or had some college. An additional 40 percent were college graduates and the remaining five had completed some postgraduate work. Two thirds were white, one quarter were black and there were 2 Hispanics.  In total there were 252 completed trials in which the women used only one vibrator for the session. (In addition there were 110 trials in which all three were used during each session for comparative purposes. These will be reported on later in this paper). Slightly more than half of the trials (52%) took place with a partner while 120 were conducted while alone. Two thirds of the women engaged in some form of erotic activity, either alone or with a partner, before using the vibrators.
Length of time to orgasm

In most cases (83%), once the erotic stimulation was initiated with a vibrator, the women reached orgasm. The length of time this took ranged from a reported "twenty seconds" to a maximum of one hour. In comparing the efficacy of each type to help bring the women to orgasm, we find that when the Eroscillator is used, the women are more likely to report that they reached orgasms than when they used the other types.
Intensity of orgasm

The women were asked to rate the intensity of the orgasm during each trial on a scale of 1-10 with ten ranking as the highest. The scores were then grouped into Low (1-4), Medium (5-7) and High (8-10) Intensity. On this scale, 50 percent of the women rated these orgasms as High while 13 percent scored them as Low. The Eroscillator was most likely to produce the High Intensity orgasms.

Table 1 : Type by intensity of orgasm
Intensity      Level   Prelude   Wand   Eroscillator
Low 1-4       5%   34%      4%
Medium 5-6       43%   35%      33%
High 8-10       52%   31%      63%
N               58           62      89


Multiple orgasms

In 56 of the trials the women said that they had separate and distinct multiple orgasms during a single session of using the vibrators. The numbers ranged from a low of 2 to a high of 7 with 3 being the number in the majority of trials in which multiple orgasms occurred. Use of the Eroscillator was most likely to result in multiple orgasms.
Subjective comparison of types

Since the use of a vibrator has become so integral a part of the therapeutic regimen recommended to patients, distractions due to the physical and mechanical nature of the vibrators should be minimized. However, since dislikes and discomforts associated with the use of vibrators has not been researched to our knowledge, it was important to learn which of the main types of vibrators would most likely be used by patients and thus be most efficacious in the therapeutic process. 

The women had also been instructed that after each session they were to fill in a questionnaire consisting of 6 items to which they were to write in their subjective determination of which vibrator used best provided an answer to the questions. This is presented in Table 2:

Table 2: Comparisons Between Instruments
(Percent Choosing Each Vibrator in Each Category)
                               Prelude   Wand      Eroscillator
1."most natural for you to hold and use"            7%      16%      76%
2."most erotically stimulating"                  14%      20%      66%
3."which one did you finally settle on to bring you to orgasm" 17%   19%      53%
4."which was least tiring to your hands"            9%      15%      76%
5."quietest to use"                      29%      11%      60%
6."which seemed gentlest to the various parts of your vagina" 11%   10%      79%



The overwhelming positive response to these questions in favor of the oscillating head type, represented by the Eroscillator, is probably due to the original design of this vibrator since this was the only type specifically designed and created for the achievement of orgasmic response through clitoral and mons area stimulation. This appears to be supported in the depth interviews conducted by the female interviewer after all trials were completed. 

In these interviews, 22 of 30 women (73%) responded to the question "Taking everything into consideration, which instrument did you prefer during this time period" with the citation of the Eroscillator. In probing for the reasons for their preferential choice, the 58 mentioned of the positive qualities of the Eroscillator covered a wide range of attributes. The response could be broadly categorized as those falling into positive comments about the shape, handling and mechanical attributes and those referring to the stimulation function.
Discussion

If the sole function of vibrators is to assist in helping a woman achieve orgasm, our findings indicate that any of the three types would be equally adequate for this purpose. However, as our findings also indicate, preference for the use and satisfactions with the outcome of using a vibrator also involves other considerations for many women. The handling, the physical characteristics the size, the shape, the quality of the stimulation may all have a bearing on the perceived satisfaction with the orgasmic response and the willingness to continue using the instrument until orgasm is reached. Since perception of response is an important part of the sexual dysfunction therapy process, elements of the negative qualities of some vibrators on the market and make specific recommendations rather than merely suggest that a patient purchase one for the indicated exercises.

References
1.    Clark, L., The Enjoyment of Love in Marriage, New York: Crest Books, 1949
2.    Kelly, G.K., Sex Manual, 8th edition, August, Georgia: Southern Medical Supply Company., 1959
3.    Ellis, A., The Art and Science of Love, New York, Lyle Stuart, 1960
4.    Sherfey, Mary J., M.D. The Nature and Evolution of Female Sexuality, New York: Random House, 1972, p 110
5.    Kaplan, Helen S., The New Sex Therapy: Active Treatment of Sexual Dysfunction, New York: Brunner/Mazel, 1974
6  Female Multiple Orgasm Forum / Female Multiple Orgasm Resources / Book review on ESO (Extended Sexual Orgasm) by Alan & Donna Brauer on: October 09, 2008, 12:07:38 PM
The post below favourably talks about the book, ESO, by Alan and Donna Brauer, in relation to achieving g-spot orgasm through intercourse.

If you want to share your opinion on the book, feel free to write a review about it here.

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_Andi (Date Posted: 07/22/2005 8:50 PM)

Yes, it's entirely possible but takes practise!  It helps to know your body really well as the exact location of the G-spot can vary from woman to woman.  If you want to try through penetrative sex, the G-spot needs to be activated through arousal first.  Positions such as rear entry or you on top might help.  If you're on top, gently grinding your pubic area in circles against your partner can help you explore the sensations and it'll be nice for him too!
I recommend reading Alan and Donna Brauer's book "ESO - Extended Sexual Orgasm".  There's a lot of useful information here.  My husband found this book, studied it and WOW!
Good luck
_Andi
7  Female Multiple Orgasm Forum / Female Multiple Orgasm Resources / Annie Sprinkle book reviews on: October 09, 2008, 11:48:03 AM
There is an description of "energy orgasm" by Annie Sprinkle that members from this forum have found helpful (see this post: http://www.femalemultiple.org/index.php?topic=15). Has anyone who has read any of her books found them useful as well?

Please share your opinion on Annie Sparkle books here!
8  Female Multiple Orgasm Forum / General Discussion / Re: Poll: Types of orgasms on: September 05, 2008, 12:45:53 PM
Hi Honourine,

Good poll! Thanks.

There's one kind orgasm you forgot to include in your survey though - anal orgasms.

Regards,
FMO Forum Admin
9  Female Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Female Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Re: injection that gives better orgasms by making G-spot swell on: August 13, 2008, 11:14:05 AM
Hi Honourine,

Welcome to the FMO forum and thanks for your interesting post!

Here's some additional about "G-spot augmentation", otherwise known under the trademark as the "G-shot":
-patented and trademarked in 2005 by Dr. David Matlock (fans of surgery programs on tv will surely recognize his name!)
-like for other collagen injections, the collagen is reabsorbs into the body, in this case within about four months
-no published studies yet done on the effectiveness of this procedure
-a survey based on 20 of Matlock’s patients reports that 85% of patient reports that it worked
-some medical professionals say that the procedure can be damaging, leading to scarring, infection and altered sexual sensations
10  Female Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Female Multiple Orgasm Main Board / Orgasms and pregnancy on: August 12, 2008, 12:57:17 PM
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         Date Posted: 12/31/2005 4:35 AM                       


Orgasm Safety
The issue of female orgasm during pregnancy is actually quite controversial. There are many different myths and theories about orgasms during pregnancy, so you may be worried about whether or not it is safe to orgasm at all.

In the past, it was thought that female orgasms could trigger preterm labor. This is because orgasms actually cause your uterus to contract. During orgasm, the hormone oxytocin is released. This hormone is also responsible for triggering labor contractions. This led many health care providers to advise against orgasms during pregnancy. Thankfully, we now know that the uterine contractions caused by orgasm are actually entirely normal. They will not lead to preterm labor in women who are experiencing healthy pregnancies, and they cannot cause your cervix to dilate or efface.

Avoiding the Big ?O'
Though it is now accepted that orgasms are perfectly safe for most pregnant women, there are some situations in which orgasms are not advised. Women who are at risk for preterm labor should not have orgasms, as they could increase the risk of kicking off labor contractions. If you are worried about having an orgasm during pregnancy, speak with your health care provider.

Feelin' It
Orgasms are typically always enjoyable, but you may find that you enjoy them more than ever during pregnancy. This is because of the increased blood flow to your pelvic region.

During intercourse, your labia, clitoris, and vagina become sensitive thanks to the increased circulation of blood and fluids in your body. When you are pregnant, though, you're likely to be extra sensitive since you already have more blood flowing through your body all the time. This means that you'll likely find it much easier to climax and your orgasms may even last significantly longer than usual. Many women also happily report that they enjoy multiple orgasms during pregnancy, so get ready!

And for those of you who typically don't climax during intercourse, you may orgasm for the first time during pregnancy!

What About those Cramps?
If you have been having regular intercourse throughout your pregnancy, you may have been noticing some peculiar abdominal cramps after orgasm. This is nothing to worry about. Cramping after climaxing is normal and is experienced by most pregnant women, particularly in the third trimester of pregnancy. These cramps are actually the same muscle contractions that you felt during orgasms before pregnancy. These cramps now feel stronger because your uterus has grown in size and because of the release of the hormone oxytocin. These contractions can last anywhere between thirty minutes and one hour.

Does Baby Catch On?
You may be wondering if your baby knows just what you and your partner are up to when you are having sex. Well, rest assured, your baby cannot see you or your partner, and thus will remain oblivious to the fact that you are having sex during pregnancy. However, there is some evidence to show that babies do experience the same sensation of euphoria that you do when you orgasm.

It is thought that babies gain a heightened sense of happiness because of the release of endorphins during sexual intercourse. Endorphins are special hormones that help to relieve pain. You may be familiar with the "rush" that you get after a tough workout or after eating a chocolate bar; these rushes are also caused by endorphins. Endorphins can travel through your blood, causing your baby (and you) to feel happy and relaxed. Don't worry though - this is entirely safe for baby.

Orgasms to Induce Labor
You may have heard of couples who have engaged in sexual activity in order to naturally induce labor. Well, it has been shown that female orgasms can kick start labor contractions when they occur in the late stages of pregnancy. This is because of the fact that orgasm can cause your body to release oxytocin, a hormone which causes labor contractions. So, if you are past your due date and sick of waiting for baby, speak with your health care provider about engaging in sex to induce labor.

Things to Watch For
While sex during pregnancy can be a lot of fun, there are certain warning signs to look out for when you are experiencing orgasms. Warning signs include:

very painful contractions
uterine cramps lasting longer than one hour
unusual or heavy vaginal bleeding


Though rare, these signs could indicate that you are experiencing preterm labor or miscarriage, and you should visit with your health care provider immediately.

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         Date Posted: 01/01/2006 10:57 AM                           

Sex During Pregnancy

Throughout the course of your pregnancy, you will experience a wide range of emotions and physical changes. One change you or your partner may encounter is an increased or decreased sex drive. Hormones, body image, relationship issues and prenatal health can affect your sex drive and your ability to engage in sexual activity.

Sexual Desire
A woman's desire for sex during pregnancy can fluctuate month-to-month or trimester-to-trimester. During the first trimester, fatigue, vomiting and nausea may put a damper on sexual activity. By the second trimester, many women regain energy and feel more aroused due to physical changes such as full breasts, increased vaginal lubrication and increased blood flow to the pelvic region. Once the third trimester arrives, fatigue and body aches and pains may decrease your sexual desire.

Can sex harm the baby?
No, not directly. Your baby is fully protected by the amniotic sac (a thin-walled bag that holds the fetus and surrounding fluid) and the strong muscles of the uterus. There's also a thick mucus plug that seals the cervix and helps guard against infection. The penis does not come into contact with the fetus during sex.

Quite often, the mother's pregnant abdomen can cause intercourse to be awkward, and some couples worry that intercourse may, in some way, harm the fetus. In an uncomplicated pregnancy, intercourse is completely safe for both mother and child.

Can intercourse or orgasm cause miscarriage or contractions?
In cases of normal, low-risk pregnancies, the answer is no. The contractions that you may feel during and just after orgasm are entirely different from the contractions associated with labor. However, you should check with your health care provider to make sure that your pregnancy falls into the low-risk category. Some doctors recommend that all women stop having sex during the final weeks of pregnancy, just as a safety precaution, because semen contains a chemical that may actually stimulate contractions.

Chemicals present in seminal fluid, called prostaglandins, also cause increased uterine activity. For some women near term, unprotected intercourse can result in more contractions that may cause cervical dilatation or effacement. However, it is impossible to predict who would benefit from having intercourse to stimulate the onset of labor.

Is it normal for a woman's sex drive to increase or decrease during pregnancy?
Actually, both of these possibilities are normal (and so is everything in between). Many pregnant women find that symptoms such as fatigue, nausea, breast tenderness, and the increased need to urinate make sex too bothersome, especially during the first trimester. Generally, fatigue and nausea subside during the second trimester, and some women find that their desire for sex increases. Also, some women find that freedom from worries about contraception, combined with a renewed sense of closeness with their partner, makes sex more fulfilling. Desire generally subsides again during the third trimester as the uterus grows even larger and the reality of what's about to happen sets in.

Your partner's desire for sex is likely to increase or decrease as well. Some men feel even closer to their pregnant partner and enjoy the changes in their bodies. Others may experience decreased desire because of anxiety about the burdens of parenthood, or because of concerns about the health of both the mother and their unborn child.

Your partner may have trouble reconciling your identity as a sexual partner with your new (and increasingly visible) identity as an expectant mother. Again, remember that communication with your partner can be a great help in dealing with these issues.

Sexual Activity During the Latter Stages of Pregnancy
During the latter half of your pregnancy, sexual intercourse in the missionary position (woman flat on her back) should be avoided. When flat on your back, the enlarged pregnant uterus may compress the blood vessels along your spine that are returning blood to your heart. This can cause a sudden drop in your blood pressure and a feeling of dizziness. To maintain good blood flow to the uterus, lie on your side during the latter half of pregnancy.
Sexual Intercourse and Orgasm During Late Pregnancy May Have a Protective Effect Against Preterm Delivery
( http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/journals/3318501.html

Sexual activity during weeks 29-36 of pregnancy does not increase women's risk of delivering preterm, according to a study of nearly 600 women who visited three prenatal clinics in North Carolina.1 By contrast, the results suggest that women who are sexually active late in pregnancy are considerably less likely than pregnant women who are not sexually active to deliver before 37 weeks of gestation.

When to Call Your Doctor
Call your health care provider if you're unsure whether sex is safe for you. Also, call if you notice any unusual symptoms after intercourse, such as pain, bleeding, or discharge, or if you experience contractions that seem to continue after sex.

Remember, "normal" is a relative term when it comes to sex during pregnancy. You and your partner need to discuss what feels right for both of you.

The most common risk factors include:
a history or threat of miscarriage
a history of pre-term labor (you've previously delivered a baby before 37 weeks) or signs indicating the risk of pre-term labor (such as premature uterine contractions)
unexplained vaginal bleeding, discharge, or cramping
leakage of amniotic fluid (the fluid that surrounds the baby)
placenta previa, a condition in which the placenta (the blood-rich structure that nourishes the baby) is situated down so low that it covers the cervix (the opening of the uterus)
incompetent cervix, a condition in which the cervix is weakened and dilates (opens) prematurely, raising the risk for miscarriage or premature delivery
multiple fetuses (you're having twins, triplets, etc.)
If you are unsure whether sex during pregnancy is safe for you, contact your obstetrician.
 
You can find more here:
http://kidshealth.org/parent/pregnancy_newborn/pregnancy/sex_pregnancy.html
11  The Multiple Orgasm Exchange / The Multiple Orgasm Exchange / how to help a man have multiple Os on: August 12, 2008, 12:20:31 PM
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         Date Posted: 10/11/2005 10:47 AM                           


Hello guys,

This is a nice forum but it is mostly about how to become multiorgasmic while masturbating. I wanted to know if it is possible to help my man experience more than one orgasm, or just something bigger than an ordinary orgasm, while making love? What could i possibly do for him? Any ideas/advice?

Thanks



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         Date Posted: 10/12/2005 12:01 AM                               


Hello guys,

Hi Dancing

>This is a nice forum but it is mostly about how to become multiorgasmic while masturbating.

 That's true. And there's a couple good reasons why most of the posts here are about mastrubation:

  1. Because it's usually easier for men to first learn how to become multi-orgasmic through solo practice and then learn how to apply their new ability to lovemaking.

  The first major hurdle in any MMO technique is learning how to deal with The Point of No Return. Until a man learns how to resolve this issue and separate orgasm from ejaculation, a partner will usually only serve as a distraction and make MMO's even more difficult to achieve. Therefore, it's usually just easier to stick to "regular" sex while he practices his MMO's techniques solo on the side. When he's already practiced enough to feel confident in his new ability to have MMO's, it helps reduce any possble feelings of performance pressure when it comes time to share it a partner.  

  2. Because there simply aren't a lot of multi-orgasmic men out there posting in forums these days. LOL! Of course, I'm doing my best to help change that...  

>  I wanted to know if it is possible to help my man experience more than one orgasm, or just something bigger than an ordinary orgasm, while making love?

  Yes, it certainly possible to help a man have MMO's. But to be honest, it really depends on your man and what he wants. Does he want to have multiple orgasms? Does he believe it's possible? Has he actually said he wants to experience MMO's? Is he willing to spend time and effort learning techniques to achieve them? All of these things make a difference in what you can do for him as well as what he can do for himself.

  There's an old joke about hypnosis: How many hypnotherapists does it take to change a light bulb? One. But the light bulb has to really want to change!  

  The point being that hypnosis can do amazing things for people, but only if they want it to happen...

  The same is true for men and MMO's. You can do everything just right, but if he's not ready, willing, and able, it's not gonna happen.

>  What could i possibly do for him? Any ideas/advice?

  Depending on how receptive he is, there's a LOT you can do for him. But before we get into that, just remember that he is his own source of ultimate pleasure. He needs to take responsiblilty for his orgasmic pleasure and want to increase it. The best way to help him is to support him in finding his own way to MMO's. After all, he'll be missing out on a wonderful feeling of accomplishment if someone else does it for him.

  But having said that, I do have some suggestions...

  1. Hypnosis. Hypnosis is a great "quick fix" for increasing sexual pleasure and performance. Depending on the skill of the hypnotist and the willingness of the subject, almost anything you can imagine can be accomplished.

  If you have money to burn, you can talk with your man about what changes he would want in his sex life - better erections, more stamina, multiple orgasms, etc? It's all possible with the right hypnotist. Then he can either go in a for a few sessions, or better yet, you can both go in together and be hypnotized as a couple! It all depends on what you can afford and how skilled the hypnotist is. And although sessions may be expensive, it's probably the quickest and easiest way to create amazing changes in your sex life, and can be a great investment for a long term relationship.

  Of course, if like me and most other folks, you don't have money to burn, there are still ways that you can use hypnosis to help your man. For instance, check out the "Hypnotize Your Lover" book and Cd set here. Hypnosis is actually much easier to do than most people think and it's a great way for couples to have fun and increase their feelings of intimacy. Even "amateur" hypnotists can do some amazing things for a willing partner.

  Here is a great little erotic story (http://www.mcstories.com/AdultEducation/AdultEducation.html) that illustrates some of the many ways in which couples may benefit from learning to use hypnosis together. Although the story itself is fictional, and some of the effects may be slightly exaggerated, the various techniques it describes are both real and effective. So I think it's worth reading just to get an idea of how they can be applied in a relationship.

  Another great little product (www.saladltd.co.uk/ericksonian_hypnosis_cards.htm) that my wife and I recently started using is a deck of playing cards that have hypnotic language patterns printed on them. It's based on an older deck called "ZEBU Cards" that went out of production years ago. Neither of us has ever read any books on this type of hypnosis, but we were both able to hypnotize each other within less than an hour, just by using the sample phrases straight from the cards.

  Here's another great little story (http://www.mcstories.com/Zebu/Zebu.html) by the same author that does an excellent job of describing how you can use these cards to casually slip hypnotic suggestions to each other while you play. It's easy to learn and loads of fun. And best of all, you can use these cards for virtually anything, so they're a great way for couples to help each other improve in all kinds of ways from self-esteem and stress reduction to excerise and improving sleep.

  Anyway, there's literally thousands of ways you can use hypnosis to help improve your sex life, as well as your partner's. And most of them are being freely taught on the net in places like this. Not to mention all the professional audio and video programs that are being sold. Chances are you can find something fun, effective, and affordable.

  2. Prostate Stimulation. This particular technique is somewhat controversial. Not everyone is comfortable with the idea. However, I'm mentioning it because it's one of the only ways in which you can actively participate in giving your partner MMO's without prior training or experience.

  The prostate is the most sexually sensitive place on a man's body and most of us have never even had it massaged in a sensual way (doctor visits don't count! LOL). It has the potential to induce tremendous feelings of orgasm for long periods of time without ejaculation. So depending on how adventurous you are as a couple and as individuals, it can be a great asset (no pun intended) to your sex life.

  Manual Prostate massage using the fingers is a centuries old traditon in many countries and cultures. However, I know nothing about it as a technique, and so I'm not recommending it here.

  What I can recommend is 2 products: The Aneros and The Deluxe Crystal Wand.

  Each has a specific benefit for prostate stimulation.

  The Aneros, is an internally controlled device, meaning that once it's inserted, your man controls it using his internal muscle structure. It's not something you can  "use it on him" like a dildo. However, because it's an internal device, it very easy to have intercourse or recieve oral sex while he's using it.

  If you check out the Aneros forum, you'll see that this toy rarely creates instant results. It often takes time and practice before men begin to experience multiple orgasms using it. However, if your man sticks with it long enough to start feeling the benefits, it can turn a simple blowjob into a truly mind-blowing experience.

  The Deluxe Crystal Wand is an externally controlled device, which he can either use solo or you can use to directly massage his prostate by gently manipulating the handle. Although it's not so great for use during intercourse, the advantage of this device is that it offers you a chance to switch roles as a couple.

  By allowing you to take over control of the wand, your man can experience something few men ever do - being made to cum over and over agian by one's partner without any loss of arousal. It's a deeply vulnerable experience for a man to be in such a position. Meanwhile, you may find it exciting to feel the power and control of creating wave after wave of intense orgasmic sensations in your man with only the slightest movements of the handle...

  Like I said, prostate stimulation isn't for everyone and it defintiely requires some time and practice in order to be effective. But for some couples, it can be a profoundly intimate and erotic experience.

  And finally, this will probably come as no surprise to anyone who's read my posts before, my best recommendation for helping your man to become multi-orgasmic is....(drum roll....)

  3. KSMO  A.k.a., the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm technique. This is my personal favorite. Mainly because it's how I learned to become multi-orgasmic, but also because it's the only technique that both men and women can truly share together as a couple.

  So here's my recommendation: Check out the website, especially the Forum and Transcripts of the Live Coaching Chats. If it looks appealing to you, ask your man if he might want to try it too. If not, that's ok. With time and a little practice, you can still help him experience multiple orgasms just by sharing what you've learned.

  One of the amazing things about KSMO is that even if only one partner has learned it, both partners can benefit from the increased orgasmic energy. Over time, you can become more and more expressive with your deepest feelings of pleasure, and in response he can become more and more open to recieving it. With KSMO, you can literally share your orgasmic energy with your man, and as long as he is receptive to it, he can learn to "ride" your orgasms like waves and actually feel your pleasure in his own body. Eventually with continued practice, he will be able to feel your orgasms almost as if they were his own.

  And the great thing about KSMO is, it's not gender-specific. So once he's actually felt your orgasmic energy moving through his body in waves, he might become open to the possibility that he can create the same multi-orgasmic waves, using the very same technique.

  Sometimes us guys are hard-headed and all the talking in the world won't convince us that something is worth trying. But if you can just show him how KSMO feels, by helping him feel what you're feeling, there's a good chance your man will be inspired to try it too!

  One last, VERY IMPORTANT TIP: If you or your man decide to try KSMO, and the technique appears not to be working, go to the website and ask for help. That's what the community is there for. Ask questions in the Forum, attend a Live Coaching Chat or two. Trust me, the technique works. But it's easy to miss small details in the instructions or be just a little off in your practice and not realize it. So always make sure you ask for help if you're not getting the results you wanted. You might be surprised how much difference a little advice can make!

  Well, I know this was a long reply, but I hope it was helpful. Lemme know what you think and of course, feel free to keep asking questions!

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         Date Posted: 10/12/2005 10:48 AM                           


Hi PanDragon !

Thank you for the fast and such a good reply! I haven't talked to my boyfriend about it yet. I wanted to surprise him, kind of, but looks like it's not as possible  I will write more soon,  unfrotunately i dont have much time now! Thanks again for your help!!

Good luck!



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  I'm always happy to be of service.  

  Looking forward to your next post!  



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         Date Posted: 10/13/2005 7:55 AM                           

Hi Dragon !

How's life?

Sooo, i've tried to talk to my boyfriend about multiple orgasms.... "Does he want to have multiple orgasms?" - Yes, he would like to know what it feels like, but he seems rather passive.... "Does he believe it's possible?" - Not really, it seemed to me... even though he got interested and said it would be cool if it were true.  "Has he actually said he wants to experience MMO's? Is he willing to spend time and effort learning techniques to achieve them?" Yes, he said he wants, but as for time, he is one of the people who want things now, and who can give it up if it doesn't work for too long... Also, he is quite satisfied with our sex life, and me too, actually, but if it can be better, why not try?  And i think it can simply be fun to do! But we want to try!!

You know, the first thing that's gonna be hard (and i guess, it's similar with most men, huh?) is that it seems hard for him to realize that an orgasm can happen separately from ejaculation. It is a little hard to understand for me, too, but since quite a number of men say so, then i believe it is so! And i guess it is even harder to believe in for him since he has always had the two things coming together, and associated one with the other. Does he have to do some exercises or something to learn to separate them?

You say hypnosis can help... We cannot go to a hypnotherapist, but is it possible to try to hypnotise each other? Although when i imagine the scene, it makes me laugh  I dont know how i would stay serious if he were trying to hypnotise me! I should confess though that i still haven't opened the links on it that you gave me, so maybe i will have no questions after i do... i promise to do it tonight!

Hey how did your wife take all these things? Is she multiple, too? How do these cards work? Is it the kind of hypnosis they show in movies, when the person's consciousness shuts off and stuff?

Prostate stimulation... It should be done through one's butt, if we call the things with their names? I haven't suggested it yet, but i really dont believe he would do that, because he associates that stuff with gay world, even though to me it's fine.... Not that i'm eager to stick something in his butt, but for the sake of the experiment... you know what i mean!  I'm gonna find out more about it with him.

KSMO. Yes, i've noticed from your other posts that it is your favourite!  Does it work for your wife? I am going to check that forum soon! I would like to try that or any other technique for multiple orgasms for myself, too!! How much time can it take for it to start working?

Thanks again for taking your time to reply to my questions!

Good luck!

 



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I believe anyone can have multiple orgasms male or female. I read about this simple techniqe about 15 years ago, and it has never failed. You basically have to change your thinking about sex/orgasm instead of trying to have an orgasm try not to have one. When i go down on a woman, when she starts to get close to climax i stop for a minute and back off, let her cool down then start again then back off again when she gets close. Do this 3-4 times the first time and then when you continue she will have incredible multiple orgasms. I have done this with 3 women so far and they have all had multiples which get better after they get use to the teasing technique. This can also be done with intercourse when you get close stop and take a break a few times i have done this and had the best longest orgasms of my life.

Let me know how it goes, if nothing else its fun to try. Remember the goal is not to have an orgasm for as long as possible.

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You don't say whether you have multiples, but since you are interested in him having them, I assume yes. You also mentioned that it was hard for you to understand the point of no return where men lose control and then detumesce (go limp); again, an indication that you can pass orgasmic climax points and go again, without going limp.

As Pandragon (?) wrote:

"The first major hurdle in any MMO technique is learning how to deal with The Point of No Return. Until a man learns how to resolve this issue and separate orgasm from ejaculation, a partner will usually only serve as a distraction and make MMO's even more difficult to achieve."

This is the big problem with all male MMO techniques: They aren't natural, require practice and holding back -- up to the point of return, stop; up to the point of return, stop, etc. I did all these tricks for several years masturbating but it became a drag after a while and as I aged the O's grew weaker and weaker as my wife's grew stronger and stronger (it's not just the lack of MMOs, it's the intensity that man lack, particularly as they age).

As for doing MMOs with your partner: GOOD LUCK!! Tried it (repeatedly) with my wife. A couple of times, I had a couple of smaller O's but control is very difficult and she has to "let go" at precisely the right moments. Again, the whole male MMO thing is NOT natural. If it were, we wouldn't have to jump through zen-like hoops. The problem with partners too is they "distract," as the previous poster indicated. Not very bonding when you are focusing on your hard-to-control penis, directing your partner to go, stop, let go, etc. -- it all became just a form of mutual masturbation. Then my wife would want oral to have her earthrocking series of real MMOs. Oral sex too is masturbation with the help of a partner. Bottom line: The best sex (hand, oral) is all masturbation. Even partner sex that aims at something is mutual masturbation (using each other's organs in a very rigid way to reach a goal. No pun intended).

One of the most popular books on MMOs for women and (supposedly) for men is almost entirely devoted to mutual masturbation (one person doing the other at a time). See Brauer and Brauer, _ESO: Extended Sexual Orgasm_. Read through the lines: All the ecstatic experiences are related by women, not men. But they need to sell books and promise men some benefit for doing all that work of giving one hour "rising" orgasms to their girlfriends. Go to amazon.com and read the posts: They all talk about "it was the best thing I ever did or gave my wife/girlfriend." I don't think a single one mentioned it helping a man get ESOs. That's pretty indicative of how pie-in-the-sky male MMO is.

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  Hi Dragon !

  Hi Dancing

>How's life?

  Great! Thanks for asking.  

>"Has he actually said he wants to experience MMO's? Is he willing to spend time and effort learning techniques to achieve them?" Yes, he said he wants, but as for time, he is one of the people who want things now, and who can give it up if it doesn't work for too long...

  Well, it's good that he's interested in the idea of MMO's. But unfortunately, the tendency to "want things now" would most likely prevent him from making much progress in a full-blown method like KSMO. So I would not suggest it for him at this time. Of course, if you learned it first and share your new feelings with him, he might be inspired to commit more fully to the idea of learning a technique like KSMO...

  It's not that KSMO is difficult to learn, but it does require some patience and an ability to just relax and enjoy whatever feelings come up during practice. Ironically, the more pressure a guy puts on himself to achieve MMO's, the less likely they are to occur. So I wouldn't try to get him to do it unless he really wants to. In fact, let it be his idea to try it.

> Also, he is quite satisfied with our sex life, and me too, actually, but if it can be better, why not try?  And i think it can simply be fun to do! But we want to try!!

  That's great! It's always good to start from a place of contentment rather than frustration. So here's my advice: For now, keep things light and consider trying something simple like this hypnosis Cd http://www.wendi.com/html/ultimate_orgasm.html.

  I bought this years ago, before I learned KSMO. This little program actually gave me some of my very first orgasms without any physical stimulation!

  And the great thing about it is, it works for both men and women, so you can both enjoy it. Plus there's no performance pressure involved. It's easy to do. You just listen to it once a day and the effects keep getting stronger. Men can use it to last longer and some even have multiple orgasms. Women say it helps them reach multiples more quickly and easily. At the very least, it should spice things up a bit for both of you.

>  You know, the first thing that's gonna be hard (and i guess, it's similar with most men, huh?) is that it seems hard for him to realize that an orgasm can happen separately from ejaculation. It is a little hard to understand for me, too, but since quite a number of men say so, then i believe it is so! And i guess it is even harder to believe in for him since he has always had the two things coming together, and associated one with the other. Does he have to do some exercises or something to learn to separate them?

  Well, the thing is there are several ways to achieve MMO's, but most men only know about one of them, and it doesn't work very well.

  In my experience, almost all books and videos that claim to teach MMO's, involve the same basic technique - building the PC muscle and teasing the ejaculation process (much like millite described).

  This includes Tantra, Manak Chia's method, Barbara Keesling's book, ESO, etc. In my opinion, they're difficult to learn and at best, produce orgasms that feel weak and  "unnatural."  All of these methods teach men to control their genitals, and in my opinion, that's why they don't work very well. Because orgasm, by nature, is a state of being out of control!  

  That's why I always recommend techniques that are not based on control like: KSMO, Prostate Stimulation, Amygdala Clicking, and Hypnosis.

  Although each one is different, what they all have in common is that they enable men to experience intense orgasms without having to worry about The Point of No Return. But in fact, none of these methods are "exercises."

  For instance, KSMO requires neither skill nor muscle control. It is more a process learning to let go, enhance your arousal response, relax through feelings of intense pleasure, and fully express (and share) those feelings as they surface. In fact, you might say, it's the opposite of exercise!

 > You say hypnosis can help... We cannot go to a hypnotherapist, but is it possible to try to hypnotise each other?

  DEFINITELY. Of course, it would take some study and practice, but just about anyone can learn how to hypnotize a willing person. If learning to hypnotize sounds like work, then just try some professionally recorded Cd's or videos. They're not as good as a real live hypnotist, but they can still be fun and effective.

>  Although when i imagine the scene, it makes me laugh  I dont know how i would stay serious if he were trying to hypnotise me! I should confess though that i still haven't opened the links on it that you gave me, so maybe i will have no questions after i do... i promise to do it tonight!

  Well, the cool thing is you don't have to learn how to hypnotize each other. There's literally thousands of audio and video hypnosis programs for sale on the net that can help improve your sex life just by listening to them. That's why I recommend starting out with something like this Cd: http://www.wendi.com/html/ultimate_orgasm.html. Try it for a couple weeks and see how you feel.

Hey how did your wife take all these things? Is she multiple, too?

  My wife just learned KSMO from me and we also recently started using hypnosis for fun. She's also interested in learning Amygdala Clicking, she just hasn't gotten around to it yet. But she was already the most orgasmic woman I'd ever been with long before I learned to have MMO's.

  The cool thing is what happened when I started having multiples and sharing them with her. It's hard to describe, but when we make love now, we can feel each others orgasms to the point where eventually we don't even know who's orgasm we're both feeling. It just feels like one huge orgasmic wave that we're both riding together. It goes on and on, basically until we're both so buzzed we can't take anymore and have to stop.

> How do these cards work? Is it the kind of hypnosis they show in movies, when the person's consciousness shuts off and stuff?

  Well, it's kinda hard to explain since I haven't even read much about this type of hypnosis yet. But the way it works is when you talk to someone, you can say things in a way that they will have trouble disagreeing with you. For instance, if I say:

  DO NOT THINK ABOUT A PINK ELEPHANT!

  What did you just think about when you read that sentence? A pink elephant, right? That's because your subconscious couldn't help it. Once you read those words, it had to form a picture to match them. So the cards are just a bunch of phrases like that, designed to take advantage of how the mind works, and slip in suggestions without any resistance. You'd be surprised what you can do with a little practice...

>Prostate stimulation... It should be done through one's butt, if we call the things with their names? I haven't suggested it yet, but i really dont believe he would do that, because he associates that stuff with gay world, even though to me it's fine.... Not that i'm eager to stick something in his butt, but for the sake of the experiment... you know what i mean!  I'm gonna find out more about it with him.

  Well, I wouldn't push the issue or anything. Anything "butt related" was TOTALLY out of the question for me until I was 27 years old. I never liked anything like that and assumed I never would. I only tried prostate stimulation because a good friend of mine, who's opinion I respect, convinced me that the Aneros was the coolest new device for MMO's and I would be missing out if I didn't try it. And ya know what? He was absolutely right.

>KSMO. Yes, i've noticed from your other posts that it is your favourite!  Does it work for your wife?

  To say YES!!!!, would be an understatement. I could write a small book about how much KSMO has done for both of us.

 >I am going to check that forum soon! I would like to try that or any other technique for multiple orgasms for myself, too!! How much time can it take for it to start working?

  Well, for guys, the average practitioner (who posts questions in the forum and seeks advice from the community when needed) experiences his first multiple orgasm within 1-3 months of beginning practice. Sometimes it takes longer because of impatience, misunderstanding the instructions, or emotional baggage. For me, it took 3 weeks. I even know a few guys who had multiples the very first DAY they tried KSMO.

  We haven't had many women posting over the years. But I think it's reasonable to expect that most women will progress a little faster than men, depending on their emotional feelings about sex and whatever past experiences they may have had. Here's a link to a thread by one of our newer female members, "lalyroth," where she describes her experiences learning KSMO from the very beginning: http://jackjohnston.ccwerks.net/wb/default.asp?action=9&read=1950&fid=38#5089

>Thanks again for taking your time to reply to my questions!

>Good luck!

 

>Dancing

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         Date Posted: 10/16/2005 7:48 AM                           

Hello Wish It Were So !
 
Thanks for your answer  
 
>You don't say whether you have multiples, but since you are interested in him having them, I assume yes.
 
Yes, i am interested in them, but i am not sure what i have can be called multiples. I can have several orgasms, but i have to make pauses between them, so i guess they are not multiple, but just a few in a row. I would like to experience what people describe here.
 
>best sex (hand, oral) is all masturbation. Even partner sex that aims at something is mutual masturbation
 
Hmmm. Yes, i guess i agree, in a way. But it is all just words, after all, and if we both feel good, and can help each other feel good, then what the heck!  Also, mutual masturbation would mean (as i see it) "doing" (dont like this word, but you know what i mean) just one person at a time, and taking turns. But i have seen people post here (PanDragon is one of them, right?) who can have multiple orgasms, or energy orgasms almost simultaneously, and during intercourse (again, dont like this word, but this you can't call masturbation already).
 
>they all talk about "it was the best thing I ever did or gave my wife/girlfriend."
 
Yes, i know, they are many, but i believe there are people who don't just give or take, but share, and i want to learn from them  I know what you meant, though - that it is easier to do for a woman than for a man (did i understand you correctly?)
 
>I don't think a single one mentioned it helping a man get ESOs.
 
Well, i want to help my man get it! I dont know if i will succeed in it, but i am eager to try
 
PanDragon:
 
>It's hard to describe, but when we make love now, we can feel each others orgasms to the point where eventually we don't even know who's orgasm we're both feeling. It just feels like one huge orgasmic wave that we're both riding together. It goes on and on, basically until we're both so buzzed we can't take anymore and have to stop.
 
It sounds SOOO GOOOOOOOD !!!!!!!!!!! Oh i want to have it like that too!!!
 
>I could write a small book about how much KSMO has done for both of us.
 
Why not? I think you write very well
 
>What did you just think about when you read that sentence? A pink elephant, right?
 
Exactly !
 
>Well, I wouldn't push the issue or anything. Anything "butt related" was TOTALLY out of the question for me until I was 27 years old. I never liked anything like that and assumed I never would.
 
Yeah, he is about that age, too, so i am careful with it.
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The Key Sound, popularized by Dr Johnson, is backed up by experiments on rats!

Effects of male pre-ejaculatory vocalizations on female receptive behavior in the rat (Rattus norvegicus).

White NR, Barfield RJ.

Department of Biological Sciences, Rutgers--The State University of New Jersey, New Brunswick 08903.

Both male and female rats (Rattus norvegicus) emit ultrasounds during copulation. Bursts of ultrasounds from males that occur as ejaculation approaches are lower in frequency, longer in duration, and louder than those that appear earlier in the ejaculatory series. We attempted to determine if these pre-ejaculatory calls affect female sexual behavior. The behavior of females paired with devocalized males was compared with that of females paired with intact males, and in a second experiment tape-recorded vocalizations were played to females paired with devocalized males. Females were less receptive when paired with devocalized males; they were less likely to remain stationary when males attempted to mount. Playback of both types of calls restored female immobility toward control levels, although pre-ejaculatory calls were more effective than mating ones. Pre-ejaculatory calls restored running and training levels somewhat toward control level but to a lesser extent than female immobility.

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Thank you Dr RitzJunior (cute name BTW) for posting this interesting study.

For the record, I must start by saying Jack Johnston is not a doctor. He has an M.A. in Psychology.

As for the study, I wouldn't go so far as to suggest that it proves anything about the Key Sound specifically. However, I do think it illustrates an important concept that I've often talked about here in the forum - that the tendency for men for suppress the urge to vocally express their pleasure during sex is a result of social conditioning rather than a natural behavior.

I think this study also suggests something else I've come to believe through my experience using the Key Sound - Women become more aroused when their male partners vocally express their own arousal (through moans, groans, and Key Sounds), thereby increasing pleasure for both partners.

Another aspect which is not mentioned in this study, but I believe may have played a significant role, is the fact that the amygdalae in mammals respond in different ways to the specific types of vocalizations made.

Positive vocalizations, like those associated with sexual enjoyment, playfulness, etc, tend to stimulate the anterior sides of the amygdalae, which in turn stimulates the Septal Regions (pleasure centers) of the brain. Therefore, vocal expression of pleasure results in more pleasure.

Negative vocalizations, like those associated with fighting or perceived threats, tend to stimulate the posterior sides of the amygdalae, which in turn encourages the "fight or flight" response.

I think the importance of this study, as it applies to Jack's Multiple Orgasm Trigger, is that it suggests that vocalization of pleasure is an important part of experiencing and sharing pleasure. And in nature, males express their pleasure out loud and females respond positively to vocalization with increased sexual interest and enjoyment.

I would be curious to see a zoological survery of how many mammals have similiar mating patterns. I would suspect that it's more common for the males of most mammalian species to express their pleasure vocally than not. And, in my opinion, modern human males are actually suppressing a very natural impulse to vocally express their sexual pleasure, purely out of social conditioning.

Thanks again for bringing this article to the forum "Ritz." I hope it sparks a much larger discussion!

And if anyone would like more information about the Key Sound and Multiple Orgasm Trigger go here: http://multiples.com/a/index.php/ksmopan




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In regard to the following study, I was wondering if KSMO could be recorded and then played back in order to enhance pleasure in a hypnotic way?
Physiol Behav. 1989 Feb;45(2):229-33.   


Playback of female rat ultrasonic vocalizations during sexual behavior.

White NR, Barfield RJ.

Department of Biological Sciences, Rutgers University, New Brunswick, NJ 08903.

Both male and female rats emit ultrasonic vocalizations during mating. In an earlier study, female vocalizations were shown to be associated with female darting: when the female was devocalized, she increased her rate of darting. In a preliminary playback study, tape-recorded female ultrasounds were presented to devocalized females paired with intact males. Darting was reduced towards presurgical control levels. In this study, the playback experiment was replicated using a refined procedure to present female ultrasounds to the mating rats. Taped vocalizations were obtained from females, and were presented in a manner which more closely approximated the patterning of ultrasound production seen in the intact female. Each rat pair was tested three times: once prior to the devocalization of the female, and twice afterwards. In one postsurgical test, taped ultrasounds were presented during mating; in the other, tape hiss was presented. Several patterns of behavior increased in frequency when the female was devocalized relative to the control condition, but decreased when tape recorded ultrasounds were presented. These patterns included female darting and approaches towards the partner by both males and females. The darting results confirm and extend the findings of our earlier paper. Changes in approach behavior were not observed previously because the male was confined in the earlier study. This study contains the first direct evidence that female vocalizations affect the socio-sexual behavior of the male
 

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>In regard to the following study, I was wondering if KSMO could be recorded and then played back in order to enhance pleasure in a hypnotic way?

Well, the answer depends on what you mean by "KSMO."

The Key Sound itself, does not necessarily sound erotic. In the same way that a person may make a "moaning" sound for a variety of reasons, like pain, pleasure, boredom, annoyance, etc, one can make Key Sounds without putting any "erotic charge" into them.

However, if you recorded a person or couple, experiencing the intense orgasmic states associated with KSMO and expressing those feelings through their Key Sounds as well as other sighs and moans, then yes, I believe it would have an impact on listeners.

However, I think it's important to consider what kind of impact that might be... I believe it completely depends on both the "performer" in the recording and the listener.

For instance, a man who feels a great deal of frustration, anger, or jealously regarding his experience of sexual pleasure, might find those negative feelings amplified if he heard another man enjoying a level of pleasure that he, himself, has never experienced before, especially if he doubts his own ability to ever experience that kind of pleasure. It might cause the listener to feel even more dissatisfied with his own sexual experiences and therefore associate pain and unhappiness with the Key Sound.

On the other hand, let's assume the listener has a desire to enhance his orgasmic pleasure, but is able to maintain a positive attitude about his current experiences, and views his sexual development as an opportunity for self-exploration. If he has just begun practicing KSMO, Tantra, or a similiar system, listening to an advanced practitioner of KSMO performing may actually encourage the listener, serving as a potential guide towards higher levels of arousal, and possibly offering a sense of hope about what men can accomplish in terms of MMO's. Hearing a man enjoy multiple orgasms may help aleviate any nagging doubts in the mind of listener about what they are capable of.

So, just as with hypnosis, the effect of listening to people experiencing KSMO, will be filtered through the personality of the listener. Some would certainly find it helpful, others will undoubtedly have strongly negative emotional responses.

For instance, let's say this time it's a couple listening to another couple experience KSMO. Now the impact will depend not only how each partner feels about their own sexual pleasure, but also on how they feel about each other and their relationship. When a couple has been successfully practicing KSMO together for an extended period of time, it deepens their level of intimacy as much as it intensifies their experience of orgasm. So the listeners would be hearing not only the physical pleasures of the couple, but also unusually open and free expressions joy and love between the two lovers. And once again, depending on the couple listening, this may induce a deeper feeling of closeness as well as erotic excitement, or it may serve to expose certain rifts between the two partners within their relationship, thereby ruining the mood.

Personally, when I first began practicing KSMO, I had some trouble with the Key Sound. I felt self-conscious and a bit "silly" expressing my pleasure "out loud" even when I was by myself. What I found helpful was audio and video recordings of people practicing Tantra and expressing intense orgasmic pleasure.

Although Jack's Multiple Orgasm Trigger technique is quite different from Tantra, listening to women and men who had already learned to fully express their pleasure and emotions during sex helped me feel more comfortable expressing my own feelings and learning to completely "give in" to the Key Sound. Once that happened, multiple orgasms came naturally.

Here are the products that I found helpful:

http://www.tantra.com/catalog/product_119.html?cPath=26

http://www.tantra.com/catalog/product_40.html?cPath=21

http://www.tantra.com/catalog/product_5.html?cPath=22

(Please keep in mind, I'm recommending these products as examples of live demonstrations of intense orgasmic pleasure and emotions being freely expressed, not for the techniques that are taught within them. Although they may be effective for some people, they did not work for me.)








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The proof the amygdala can trigger multiple orgasms has beeb established.
Physiol Behav. 2003 Jul;79(2):239-46.   


Estradiol in the male rat amygdala facilitates mounting but not ejaculation.

Huddleston GG, Michael RP, Zumpe D, Clancy AN.

Department of Biology, MSC 8L0389, Georgia State University, 33 Gilmer Street S E Unit 8, Atlanta, GA 30303-3088, USA.

Mating activates estrogen sensitive neurons in several regions of male rat brain, including the medial amygdala (MEA). Infusion of the aromatase inhibitor, Fadrozole, into the MEA reduced mating, presumably by inhibiting conversion of testosterone (T) to estradiol (E(2)). We investigated whether administering E(2) locally into the amygdala (AMG) would maintain sexual behavior in male rats given systemic Fadrozole to eliminate E(2) elsewhere in the brain. Gonadally intact male rats were divided into two matched groups, based on ejaculatory performance in weekly tests with receptive females. All males received 0.29 mg/kg/day sc Fadrozole and bilateral implants to AMG. E(2)-in-AMG males (N=6 experimentals) received implants tipped with a cured mixture of E(2) in Silastic Medical Adhesive, whereas Vehicle-in-AMG males (N=6 controls) received implants tipped with cured adhesive alone (without E(2)). In E(2)-in-AMG males, postoperative mount and intromission frequency did not differ significantly from pretreatment baseline levels, but ejaculation frequency declined significantly (P<.01). Conversely, in Vehicle-in-AMG males, postoperative mounts and intromissions (P<.01) and ejaculations (P<.01) declined significantly. Postoperative mount and intromission frequency of Vehicle-in-AMG males was significantly lower than that of E(2)-in-AMG males (P<.01), but ejaculation frequency did not differ significantly between groups. This suggests that E(2)-sensitive AMG neurons are important for sexual arousal but not ejaculatory performance.

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Dr RitzJunior, once again thank you contributing these studies to board! I find them quite compelling.

>The proof the amygdala can trigger multiple orgasms has beeb established.

I have to say that, while I believe there have been studies in which stimulation of the anterior portion of amygdalae leads to multiple orgasms in both genders (whether human or animal), this particular study only shows what it's title says:

Estradiol in the male rat amygdala facilitates mounting but not ejaculation. and...
>This suggests that E(2)-sensitive AMG neurons are important for sexual arousal but not ejaculatory performance.

So what I'm understanding from this study is that it provides data showing that sexual pleasure and performance (erection/penetration) are separate functions from ejaculation in the brain. It does not specifically demonstrate any "proof" that the male rats experienced non-ejaculatory orgasms during copulation. Although they very well may have been experiencing MMO's, unfortunately there were no specific steps taken to prove or disprove it.

Regardless, I still think it's another step towards explaining how MMO's are possible through direct or indirect stimulation of the amygdalae. What I find particularly interesting is this:

>In E(2)-in-AMG males, postoperative mount and intromission frequency did not differ significantly from pretreatment baseline levels, but ejaculation frequency declined significantly (P<.01).

which proves that, males are capable of frequent erections and sexual stimulation without building a specific need or urge to ejaculate.

This flies right in the face of proponents of traditional ejaculation control methods and PC exercises, who claim male sexual response always includes an inevitable building towards ejaculation, which must somehow be forcefully suppressed or controlled.

The study suggests that when the amygdalae are properly stimulated, pleasure and arousal can be fully enjoyed independent of the ejaculatory process. This is a key aspect of Jack's Multiple Orgasm Trigger!
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 Since there's a debate about this question on the board, I thought this study might interest you

Cesk Psychiatr. 1993 Dec;89(6):349-54

[Multiple orgasms in women]

[Article in Czech]

Kratochvil S.

Psychiatricka nemocnice Kromeriz.

Two hundred women treated for neurotic disorders and 100 female health professionals and counselors were investigated by means of a questionnaire to establish, whether they can have two or more consecutive orgasms. Multiple orgasms were reported to occur mostly or often in 14% of neurotics and in 39% of the health professionals. Our results in female neurotics are in agreement with the classical data of Kinsey et al. (1953) and with the recent data of Hubalek (1986), who investigated 121 women presenting for suspected sterility. Our results in health professionals and counselors are close to the data of Darling et al. (1991) in a sample of 805 American female nurses. It seems that capacity for multiorgasmic experience in women is higher than was generally acknowledged previously. It is possible that nurses, medical doctors and psychologists use their better knowledge of sexuality in their sexual activities to obtain more effective stimulation for fuller use of their sexual capacity.

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         Date Posted: 11/17/2005 1:01 PM                               

Well, it's an interesting study. But I don't see the logic here. The study itself only compares women with other women. How can it be applied to the question of whether women are more orgasmic than men?


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I was not aware that nearly forty percent of male health professionals were multi-orgasmic. Men can become multi-orgasmic but it requires more work. Simple.
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Ok, I replied to your last post and then realized I had completed misunderstood your response.

So I'm re-replying...

>Men can become multi-orgasmic but it requires more work. Simple.

How do we know it requires "more work" for men? Many women are non-orgasmic for a number of reasons and spend a great deal of time and effort learning to have their very first orgasm, usually many years after the average man has his first. Is it harder for most men have multiple orgasms than it is for non-orgasmic women to experience their first orgasm? How can one compare the "work" involved between the two?

I think it's all relative to the individual, their emotional interest in sexual pleasure, their social environment, personal relationships, and sexual experiences (and possible related traumas), etc.

One thing is certainly obvious, there are currently far more multi-orgasmic women than multi-orgasmic men in the world.

But I believe that how "difficult" it is for men or women to become multi-orgasmic is highly subject to a variety of factors and perspectives. Most prominent of which right now is the fact that most men are not even aware that male multiple orgasms are possible, or at least, feasible for the average man to enjoy. That fact alone plays a significant role in the current differences between male and female orgasmic experiences in modern society.

Just as prior to Kinsey's reports, the idea of female multiple orgasm was hardly common knowledge here in the U.S., much less an acceptable topic of discussion at dinner parties. Similiarly, male multiple orgasm is just beginning to become a topic of discussion in the U.S., and the more men who become multi-orgasmic, the more men will want to. With time, the easiest and most efficient ways to accomplish MMO's should rise to the surface through common knowledge and experimentation.

Even now, alternatives to the traditional Tantra, Taoist Sexual Chi Gung, and other PC muscles-based exercises are being discovered and field-tested with faster and more effective results. Who knows what else is waiting to be discovered now that men are finally starting to question what their bodies are capable of...?





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The fact that 40% of  women in a group are multi-orgasmic proves multiple orgasms are easy to achieve for women.

Also, be aware that these women became multi-orgasmic over time without trying. This phenomenon occure in women spontaneously with time.

>Men cannot become multi-orgasmic spontaneously without a particular training. Our physiological response to sexual stimulation is simply different.

One of the main difference that allows women for achieving multiple orgasms more easily is thier absence of a refractory period.

 

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         Date Posted: 11/18/2005 12:52 PM                               

>Two hundred women treated for neurotic disorders and 100 female health professionals and counselors were investigated by means of a questionnaire to establish, whether they can have two or more consecutive orgasms.

This study did not record whether or not these women were "trying," only whether or not they were capable. Many women experience multiple orgasms, but have to exert effort in order to do so, unless, of course, they benefit from some form of sexual education and training. And of course, some women are naturally very talented when it comes to FMO's.

>It is possible that nurses, medical doctors and psychologists use their better knowledge of sexuality in their sexual activities to obtain more effective stimulation for fuller use of their sexual capacity.

That sounds like a form of trying to me, or at least education.

>Men cannot become multi-orgasmic spontaneously without a particular training.

That's not entirely true. A study was done at Rutger's University by Dr. Beverly Whipple, that observed a man experiencing a large number of ejaculatory orgasms in rapid succession, without a refractory period. He claimed this was a typical sexual experience for him. And to be honest, when I was teenager, I could experience quite a few ejaculations in a row, without a refractory period myself. And I had no "training" in the matter. It's a rare trait among males, but it does exist in nature.

However, yes, I agree that for practical purposes, men require some form of education in order to learn MMO's. But then again, consider how many instructional books, videos, and classes exist for the purpose of teaching women how to experience orgasm and multiple orgasms. Why do you think these things exist if women don't need them?

>Our physiological response to sexual stimulation is simply different.

Well, I both agree and disagree with that statement. There are different aspects of sexual repsonse, some are virtually identical in both sexes (for instance the way our nervous systems respond to sexual stimulation, breathing, heart rate, etc), and of course, there are obvious differences.

But I suspect that you're referring specifically to the commonly held belief that the more pleasure a man feels, the more he feels a need to ejaculate? If so, while I agree that most men feel this to be true from experience, it is not a "physiological" issue, so much as a behavioral one. Men can easily learn to alter the way in which they respond to sexual stimulation in order to bypass the urge to ejaculate completely, without having to exert any conscious control over their bodies. This results in "natural," spontaneous MMO's, that occur without any effort or concentration required.

More over, women who learn to retrain their response to sexual stimulation in the same way, tend to experience orgasms more spontaneously, without effort, and with far more pleasure, even if they were already multi-orgasmic prior to learning the technique.

>One of the main difference that allows women for achieving multiple orgasms more easily is their absence of a refractory period.

Yes, I agree. All things being equal, with no education or training involved, the refractory period is a limitation in orgasmic pleasure that women do not have.

However, when a man learns how to bypass the urge to ejaculate, and enjoy higher levels of arousal for extended periods of time, multiple orgasms occur spontaneously and the refractory period ceases to be an issue. Under these circumstances, the differences between men and women in sexual response are greatly reduced and the similiarities become more obvious.

You can read more about this phenomena here: http://multiples.com/a/index.php/ksmopan









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I didn't know women had to use special technique in order to become multi-orgasmic, it's true I'm not a woman though. What are these techniques?

So men can easily become multi-orgasmic. Then why are there special techniques?

 

The orgasmic differences between men and women are proven.

Int J Impot Res. 2002 Apr;14(2):133-5. 

Absence of orgasm-induced prolactin secretion in a healthy multi-orgasmic male subject.

Haake P, Exton MS, Haverkamp J, Kramer M, Leygraf N, Hartmann U, Schedlowski M, Krueger TH.

Department of Medical Psychology, University Clinic of Essen, Germany.

In several studies we have recently demonstrated that orgasm induces prolactin secretion in healthy males and females. This suggests that prolactin may form a feedback regulator of the refractory period following orgasm. To examine this position we investigated the prolactin response of a healthy multi-orgasmic male subject. Blood was drawn continuously during masturbation-induced orgasm. The prolactin response of the case-subject was compared with that of nine healthy adult men with a normal refractory period. The case-subject showed no prolactin response to three orgasms. Data from this multi-orgasmic subject support the hypothesized role of plasma prolactin in contributing to sexual-satiation mechanisms.

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         Date Posted: 11/19/2005 5:05 PM                               

>I didn't know women had to use special technique in order to become multi-orgasmic, it's true I'm not a woman though.

Obviously, not all women do. For instance, a small percentage of women experience Female Ejaculation naturally, without any kind of effort involved. But most women do not. However there are a growing number of instructional books, videos, and classes dedicated to teaching women techniques that help them accomplish this rare but natural female ability.

Similiarly, most women are able to enjoy clitoral orgasms, but a much smaller percentage enjoy vaginal and/or g-spot orgasms. Therefore, there are many books, videos, etc dedicated to assisting women in learning how to experience vaginal and g-spot orgasms. It's natural ability and yet many women require some advice, education, and yes, techniques in order to learn how to enjoy g-spot orgasms.

>What are these techniques?

Well, there are a number of methods - tantric, taoist, modern, etc.

Here's a website dedicated to helping women become orgasmic:

http://www.bettydodson.com/newhom2.htm

And some specific techniques...

http://www.bettydodson.com/7techniq.htm

And of course, just look at Tantra.com or any tantra website that sells products, or google words like tantra-female-orgasm, female ejaculation, etc.

So men can easily become multi-orgasmic. Then why are there special techniques?

>Yes, men can easily become orgasmic with effective techniques. And of course, a very small number of men are naturally multi-orgasmic.

But I think it's obvious that the majority of both genders require "special" techniques, educations, etc in order to reach their maximum sexual potential.

You mentioned that:The fact that 40% of women in a group are multi-orgasmic proves multiple orgasms are easy to achieve for women.

But the study itself said that group had a higher than average rate of multiple orgasms specifically due to the fact: nurses, medical doctors and psychologists use their better knowledge of sexuality in their sexual activities to obtain more effective stimulation for fuller use of their sexual capacity.

So, if the group which, according to the study, has the higher potential for achieving multiple orgasms due to superior education and understanding of physiology, still has only a 40% success ratio, is it logical to conclude that multiple orgasms are naturally easy to achieve for all women?

If it's so easy for women as a whole, shouldn't that number be much higher, or at least a majority?




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40% is considered a very important number.

>But the study itself said that group had a higher than average rate of multiple orgasms specifically due to the fact: nurses, medical doctors and psychologists use their better knowledge of sexuality in their sexual activities to obtain more effective stimulation for fuller use of their sexual capacity.

I see. Do you think 40% of doctors are multi-orgasmic?

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>40% is considered a very important number.

Please explain why. My point was that it's illogical to say that it's "easy" for women to have multiple orgasms, if the highest success ratio is 40% in a group that is considered to have an advantage over the average.

>I see. Do you think 40% of doctors are multi-orgasmic?

By "doctors" you mean to say male doctors? Or did you want me to make a guess about the success ratio of male and female doctors combined?

Regardless, once again I think the point is whether one can reasonably say that multiple orgasms are "easy" for women to achieve on average. I say, according to the statistics, that is not true. If it were, there would be a majority of multi-orgasmic women.








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Ok, I'm going to add 2 more things and stop posting on this board because i'm losing my time here.

Sorry, I meant male doctors. So the question was: I didn't know 40% of male doctors were multi-orgasmic.

40% compared to less than 1% (multi-orgasmic men) is considered an important number to any scientist. The majority?? this is not a scientific notion! lol. 51% of cows are white... thus cows are white. I think I'm indeed losing my time here.

Anyway, know that if 40% of women (nurses and all) are multi-orgasmic without probably not having spent a hundredth of the time you spent studying multiple orgasms, it means it's pretty easy for a woman to become multi-orgasmic. Ok, since you're a foreigner to science and stats, it means for a woman statistically, not for a given woman.

Good luck, guys!

 

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>Ok, I'm going to add 2 more things and stop posting on this board because i'm losing my time here.

Very well. Thanks for the studies.

>Sorry, I meant male doctors. So the question was: I didn't know 40% of male doctors were multi-orgasmic.

Thanks for clarifying. I must say, I think your statement was very appropriate for this discussion. It's a classic example of how, even as we recieve new information, our previous conclusions about reality tend to remain in place, even to the point where we may completely overlook the obvious.

Were you aware that in the U.S. there are currently more women in medical school than men? Being a man of science and statistics, I'm sure you already heard that somewhere (or perhaps read it in a study). I'm also quite sure you've noticed that there are plenty female doctors out there. And yet, in the back of your mind, "doctor" still means "a man who practices medicine." Isn't that interesting? Can we think of any other topics in which this tendency might have an effect on our percpetion of reality? Hmm...

>40% compared to less than 1% (multi-orgasmic men) is considered an important number to any scientist. The majority?? this is not a scientific notion! lol.

We've already agreed that, yes, women tend to enjoy multiple orgasms more easily and often than men. Once again, I was addressing the blanket statement you made about multiple orgasms being "easy" for women to achieve as a whole, which is an entirely different topic of conversation.

I simply asked you to explain why 40% was a "very important number," as it applies to women as a whole being multi-orgasmic. Because, in my opinion, in order for something to be considered "easy," it is usually accomplished more often than not, or by a majority of those who attempt it.

Ok, so the use of majority vs. minority is not a "scientific notion." How scientific is the concept of "easy?" How do you measure "easy?"

Look, this isn't a "scientific" website. It's a discussion board for people who already are or are seeking to become, multi-orgasmic. And on that note, most of us have the courtesy to actually discuss our experiences or offer advice, rather than just posting random studies along with a single sentence.

>51% of cows are white... thus cows are white. I think I'm indeed losing my time here.

Or wasting ours...

>Anyway, know that if 40% of women (nurses and all) are multi-orgasmic without probably not having spent a hundredth of the time you spent studying multiple orgasms, it means it's pretty easy for a woman to become multi-orgasmic.

I may not be a scientist, but I know a double-negative and a run-on sentence when I see one. I guess we all have our little areas of expertise now don't we? And in answer to your final "statement" I would simply suggest this: give the scientific journals a rest and go talk to a sexologist or tantra instructor who specializes in assisting women in becoming orgasmic and multi-orgasmic. Ask them how "easy" it is for every women who walks through their door...

Oh, and as for my personal experience in learning MMO's, I did spend a great deal of time trying to learn MMO's with techniques that were not effective for me (PC exercises, Tantra, Taoist Sexual Chi Gung).

However, from the time I began practicing KSMO (a.k.a. The Multiple Orgasm Trigger technique), to the time when I had my first multiple orgasm, was about 3 weeks of practice, approximately 15-20 minutes a day, and required no "effort" whatsoever. I was 26 years old at the time.

For an interesting comparison, if you read the latest issue of Playboy (Dec. 2005), you'll see that Marilyn Monroe did not have her first orgasm until she was 34. And how did she do it? Her male psychiatrist gave her instructions on how to masturbate.

>Ok, since you're a foreigner to science and stats

Well, here we go again with another blanket statement. Just because I don't spend the majority of my time taking the easy way out by cutting and pasting studies, and prefer to engage in actual conversation...

But hey, if that makes me a "foreigner" to science, so be it. Better that than a foreigner to multiple orgasms...

>Good luck, guys!

And good luck to you "Ritz," I have a very unscientific feeling that you're going to need it.

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Hey all. Whats up

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    Well guys, I went ahead and signed up for DaVinci's (or "Kishion," as he calls himself in the emails) free e-course, and I have some feedback to offer him. So I thought I'd do it here.

  So, where to begin? First off, I would like to commend him for offering a free course to anyone who's interested. He claims his main concern is in helping his fellow man become a better lover, and in turn, helping to ensure more women out there will experience satisfaction with their partners, and I believe his intentions are sincere.

  Each of the 10 Lessons of this course are detailed and well written, and even entertaining at times. Kishion conveys a sense of humor which makes them more readable than most of the free sex advice I've seen on the Net (perhaps including my own - LOL).

  As for the physical techniques, overall I'd say they are indeed well-worth learning. I can honestly say that most of what he recommends matches my own past experiences with women from how to kiss, to foreplay, to oral sex. And he does a very good job of explaining these techniques, step-by-step by giving you not only the "how" but the "why" of each maneauver.

  So in terms of a "how-to" manual of pleasing women using oral and manual techniques, I recommend signing up for this free course just for the information. Depending on your personal experiences with women, chances are that at least some of these lessons will be very helpful. Especially for the younger guys out there who are still learning the ropes...

  Having said that, I also have some criticisms about Kishion's basic premise of sexual pleasure.

  His e-course centers around what I find to be a common misconception among men, and about women, which is that they are most pleased when we "manipulate" them into orgasm and escstasy. And therefore, we should be most satisfied when we are "taking" our partners to new heights of ecstasy.

  I, too, once believed that bringing a woman to orgasmic ecstasy was the height of sexual accomplishment for any man. When it came to making love, I often thought of myself as a master violinist, able to create any feeling or response in my partner at will, from the most subtle to the most intense, as if she were an instrument in my hands, playing out the musical notes I chose from one moment to the next. And I recieved many compliments to support my ego, for my ability to make them feel so good, where so many others had failed. In fact, I once slept with a bisexual woman who told me I went down on her better than her girflriend!

  Oh yes, I truly believed I was a "Sex Master" too! Except for one thing, I slowly began to realize that I wasn't happy! I noticed over time that the more pleasure I gave, and the more orgasmic ecstasy I invoked in my partners, the more empty, cheated, and jealous I began to feel inside. The more satisfaction I provided others, the less I seemed to feel within myself. Eventually, I began to feel depressed even at the thought of watching my girlfriend cum over and over while I seemed to feel almost nothing at all by comparison.

  At first I tried to rationalize my feelings away - "God gave women multiple orgasms to make up for the pain of childbirth," "Men rule the world, so I guess women deserve more pleasure," "it's just a cruel joke of nature, that's how it is and I might as well get used to it," etc, etc...

  None of that helped. And the better I got at making women feel good, the more I realized that I didn't need my ego stroked. I no longer cared when they told me how good I was in bed. It was nice to give my girlfriends pleasure because I wanted them to be happy, but for me their orgasms were just "hollow victories." Just once, I wanted to be the one completely letting go and crying out in orgasm after orgasm, without having to maintain control of my body or hold back my feelings. I wanted my lovers to  "make ME cum" over and over. I was tired of being "in the driver's seat" all the time. I wanted to know how it felt to kick back and enjoy the ride.

  So here's my problem with Kishion's e-course, and hopefully he'll be willing to reply:

  His course doesn't do anything to help the guys who felt the way I did. He doesn't address the penis or intercourse at all. And he tries to give the impression that if you make a woman cum enough times in the just the right way, using your hand or mouth, she'll always be totally satisfied and what you do with your penis won't really matter. And of course that means, your sexual feelings don't matter either, only hers.

  Well, I STRONGLY disagree with that theory. Because, I eventually *did* learn how to completely let go and sink into wave and wave of orgasms without having to control my body or hold back my feelings - and ya know what I discovered?

  WOMEN ARE MORE SATISFIED BY MEN WHO ENJOY MULTIPLE ORGASMS WITH THEM, THEN MEN WHO JUST "MAKE THEM CUM."

  Think about it for a second. What's the number one thing women say they want more of from their partner?

  INTIMACY, right?

  Now, what sounds more intimate -

  One partner using sophisticated techniques to make the other have intense multiple orgasms.

  OR...

  Both partners enjoying and sharing intense multiple orgasms together. Literally feeling the same orgasmic pleasure over and over again, together as one?

  Consider for a moment. Women want to feel connected to their men. What are the Two Questions every guy constantly hears in a relationship?

  WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? WHAT ARE YOU FEELING???

  Why do they constantly ask us these questions?!? Because they want  re-assurance that we feel the same way about them as they do about us. And we all know what happens when we don't answer correctly...

  Well, guess what women really wish they could have, but would never ask us for, in bed?HuhHuh

  That's right. When a woman is cumming over and over again, she wants you to feel the same pleasure. She wants the re-assurance that you felt the Earth move just like she did. She wants to know that you feel as emotionally vulnerable with her during sex as she does with you. 

   But if you're busy "working on her" with your mouth and hands, focusing on techniques and goals, and monitoring her physical responses like a lab coat technition, then you're not FEELING WITH HER. You're not being truly present and sharing those feelings with her. In essence, you're performing for her, rather than sharing with her.

  This turns a potentially beautiful moment of coming (and cumming) together, into a mental exercise of control and manipulation (however tender and loving the intention may be, the mutual connection is lacking).

  Now the sad truth is, there are so many men out there who have underdeveloped skills at intercourse, that most women would actually be happy just to find a man who could effectively execute the techniques Kishion is teaching in his e-course.

  But I have to tell you, that there is a "higher level" of giving sexual pleasure that surpasses mere techniques and genital manipulation. It begins with learning to access the vast, untapped, multi-orgasmic potential already within YOU. When you can give yourself all the pleasure you ever wanted, you will have so much more to offer than a new technique, you will have discovered a part of yourself that you can share with your partner.

  Making someone cum can be a show of power, a display of prowess, or at a best, a loving gesture. But being vulnerable on the deepest level of your being, allowing your partner to truly feel what you are feeling in the moment, is a gift of TRUE INTIMACY, something most women desperately crave but believe they can never have from their male partners.

  So while I appreciate Kishion's intentions and his excellent teaching skills. I would humbly suggest that Lesson Number One should always be "Know Thy Self." And in this context, that means, "learn to truly satisfy yourself, before seeking to satisfy others."

  Offer her techniques and you offer her a servant. Offer to share your deepest feelings of pleasure, and you will be offering her a partner in an Ecstatic Dance between a God and  a Goddess.



"There is no such as thing as piano playing; I have tried it many times and nothing came of it."

- Paul Watzlawick, author of "The Language of Change"

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         Date Posted: 09/21/2005 10:51 AM                           

Being a woman, i want to say i fully agree with PanDragon! While it is wonderful to have an understanding and caring partner who takes care of your needs the best way he can and makes you have the most stunning orgasms, a woman (a healthy mature woman who is not just using you to get a physical relief, and especially if you two have more than just sex between you) needs more than that, she needs intimacy, closeness, connection with her man... She needs to feel her man, to know what is beyond his hands, tongue and penis. She needs not just "first you, then me" or vice versa, she needs "us". She needs to know what her man feels, to know that he enjoys being with her just as much as she does with him... More emotional by nature, women seek this Connection more than physical pleasure, i dare say... and if a woman feels happy emotionally, and sees her man truly happy, too, then even if her orgasm was just average, she will feel good. Besides, i think women are also more selfless than men, and it brings pleasure to see that you bring pleasure to the one you love and care of.
 
So, dear men, yes, do learn how to make your woman happy, but also teach her how to make yourselves happy, too!  A nice forum....
15  Female Multiple Orgasm Forum / The Female Multiple Orgasm Newbie Board / How to get the vaginal orgasm? on: August 12, 2008, 11:43:02 AM
curiousgirl
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Date Posted: 06/22/2005 6:44 PM       



Hello everyone,
I have no troubles getting clitoral orgams, practically any time i want, and in a rather quick time, if needed. But i have never had vaginal orgasms, it seems, and i really want to experience them! Not so long ago i still was a virgin, so i didn't dare do anything with a finger inside, but now it is possible. What should i do to have such an orgasm? I don't have vibrators or anything other like that... only me and my hands! I have read already where to place the finger and all, but i am still not sure i do things right... It feels weird inside, maybe it is distracting me, too. How long do i need? I don't even know what questions to ask because it all is really new to me! Will be glad to read anything you have to say!
Dani


 
Cindybal
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Date Posted: 06/23/2005 12:41 AM     


Hi Dani,
When you're aroused and lubricated, gently thrust one or two fingers in and out of your vagina. Many women who believe they can only achieve orgasm through direct clitoral stimulation are surprised to find that penetration can also bring them to a rousing climax.
While stimulating your clitoris with one hand, try thrusting a few fingers into your vagina with your other hand. The combination of clitoral and vaginal stimulation can be very exciting.
Try any of the above techniques while lying on your belly. Some women prefer the slight difference in stimulation and the gentle "humping" motion they can make while enjoying this position.
Try stimulating your g-spot: lie on your back with your knees raised and insert your middle finger into your vagina in an inverted "come hither" motion. About two inches into your vagina, on the wall closest to your stomach, you'll feel a spongy, slightly raised area. That's your G-Spot, also known as your urethral sponge. Because the sensitive portion of this area is actually on the other side of several layers of skin, it will respond best to pressure, not stroking. Try pressing your G-Spot with varying intensities. If you don't like it, just stop doing it. G-Spot stimulation isn't for everyone. However, if you do like it, try simultaneously stroking your clitoris with your other hand. Rumor has it that orgasms produced by G-Spot stimulation can be very intense.
Good luck, or should I say good f.. ck!


 
Lorna
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Date Posted: 06/23/2005 12:44 AM     


No vibrator... use a cucumbor


 
curiousgirl
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Date Posted: 06/23/2005 4:23 AM       



Hi again, girls, and thanks Cindybal!
Actually i did try the thign with my middle finger, lying on my back.... I'm a little worried.... It seems so terrible tight there! Like there is so much stuff inside there, the finger does go, but i can't imagine how on earth people use two fingers! Why is it so small?? Will it stretch with time? :-(



 
Dr Ruth
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Date Posted: 06/23/2005 5:52 PM       



You can convince your bf you're ready for sex. You can even convince yourself. The hardest part is often convincing your vagina. If you're anxious your vagina will become dry and very tight. If you then try inserting a finger or two, let alone a penis - ouch! 
If a girl is relaxed and ready for sex there's no finger or penis in the world that won't fit even the most stubborn of vaginas!

Now spend time getting used to your own body. Make sure you feel OK being naked.
Practice clitoral masturbation first. Only when you're really ready, go gently and slowly.

Please be assured - your vagina is perfect and things will fit when you're good and ready.


 
curiousgirl
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Date Posted: 06/23/2005 5:56 PM       


Dr Ruth,
Thanks for calming me down!  These things are really hard to convince if they get something on their mind, it seems!


 
curiousgirl
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Date Posted: 06/23/2005 5:58 PM       


Hey and one more silly quesiton: is it really ok that inside there is not smooth at all? I mean, it has tons od humps and what not!! Honestly, i expected to *see* something more even !



 
curiousgirl
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Date Posted: 06/23/2005 6:00 PM       



Hey and one more silly quesiton: is it really ok that inside there is not smooth at all? I mean, it has tons od humps and what not!! Honestly, i expected to *see* something more even !


 
Myriam
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Date Posted: 06/24/2005 12:40 AM     



To answer your question, check http://myvag.net/inside/


 
curiousgirl
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Date Posted: 06/26/2005 10:10 AM       



One more question, when you insert a finger inside, should you put something on the finger? I mean there are nails, sometimes polish, too....


 
Cindybal
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Date Posted: 06/26/2005 9:17 PM     



Repeating some general hints:

Arousal of the g-spot is usually more effective if the
woman is already sexully arroused.
Sharp or long nails are probably a no-no.
Some pressure may be necessary. Two fingers are usually
employeed -- esp. since few people use mechanical
typewriters (which would give fingers strength and endurance).
Initial sensations in thewoman may be a) discomfort, an urge
to urinate (the urethra from the bladder is being stimulated),
or a pleasurable sensation.
As stimulation contintues (few minutes), the g-spot will begin
to swell. Continued stimulation of the area may result in
an orgasm that is often quite intense.


 
curiousgirl
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Date Posted: 07/20/2005 3:12 PM       



Is it possible to get a G-spot orgasm with a man, during sex? I mean without using fingers... Maybe there are special positions?


 
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Date Posted: 07/22/2005 8:50 PM         




Yes, it's entirely possible but takes practise!  It helps to know your body really well as the exact location of the G-spot can vary from woman to woman.  If you want to try through penetrative sex, the G-spot needs to be activated through arousal first.  Positions such as rear entry or you on top might help.  If you're on top, gently grinding your pubic area in circles against your partner can help you explore the sensations and it'll be nice for him too!
I recommend reading Alan and Donna Brauer's book "ESO - Extended Sexual Orgasm".  There's a lot of useful information here.  My husband found this book, studied it and WOW!
Good luck
_Andi
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