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Title: Women seem naturally more multi-orgasmic
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         Date Posted: 11/17/2005 11:51 AM                       


 Since there's a debate about this question on the board, I thought this study might interest you

Cesk Psychiatr. 1993 Dec;89(6):349-54

[Multiple orgasms in women]

[Article in Czech]

Kratochvil S.

Psychiatricka nemocnice Kromeriz.

Two hundred women treated for neurotic disorders and 100 female health professionals and counselors were investigated by means of a questionnaire to establish, whether they can have two or more consecutive orgasms. Multiple orgasms were reported to occur mostly or often in 14% of neurotics and in 39% of the health professionals. Our results in female neurotics are in agreement with the classical data of Kinsey et al. (1953) and with the recent data of Hubalek (1986), who investigated 121 women presenting for suspected sterility. Our results in health professionals and counselors are close to the data of Darling et al. (1991) in a sample of 805 American female nurses. It seems that capacity for multiorgasmic experience in women is higher than was generally acknowledged previously. It is possible that nurses, medical doctors and psychologists use their better knowledge of sexuality in their sexual activities to obtain more effective stimulation for fuller use of their sexual capacity.

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         Date Posted: 11/17/2005 1:01 PM                               

Well, it's an interesting study. But I don't see the logic here. The study itself only compares women with other women. How can it be applied to the question of whether women are more orgasmic than men?


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         Date Posted: 11/17/2005 3:32 PM                       

I was not aware that nearly forty percent of male health professionals were multi-orgasmic. Men can become multi-orgasmic but it requires more work. Simple.
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         Date Posted: 11/17/2005 4:00 PM                               

Ok, I replied to your last post and then realized I had completed misunderstood your response.

So I'm re-replying...

>Men can become multi-orgasmic but it requires more work. Simple.

How do we know it requires "more work" for men? Many women are non-orgasmic for a number of reasons and spend a great deal of time and effort learning to have their very first orgasm, usually many years after the average man has his first. Is it harder for most men have multiple orgasms than it is for non-orgasmic women to experience their first orgasm? How can one compare the "work" involved between the two?

I think it's all relative to the individual, their emotional interest in sexual pleasure, their social environment, personal relationships, and sexual experiences (and possible related traumas), etc.

One thing is certainly obvious, there are currently far more multi-orgasmic women than multi-orgasmic men in the world.

But I believe that how "difficult" it is for men or women to become multi-orgasmic is highly subject to a variety of factors and perspectives. Most prominent of which right now is the fact that most men are not even aware that male multiple orgasms are possible, or at least, feasible for the average man to enjoy. That fact alone plays a significant role in the current differences between male and female orgasmic experiences in modern society.

Just as prior to Kinsey's reports, the idea of female multiple orgasm was hardly common knowledge here in the U.S., much less an acceptable topic of discussion at dinner parties. Similiarly, male multiple orgasm is just beginning to become a topic of discussion in the U.S., and the more men who become multi-orgasmic, the more men will want to. With time, the easiest and most efficient ways to accomplish MMO's should rise to the surface through common knowledge and experimentation.

Even now, alternatives to the traditional Tantra, Taoist Sexual Chi Gung, and other PC muscles-based exercises are being discovered and field-tested with faster and more effective results. Who knows what else is waiting to be discovered now that men are finally starting to question what their bodies are capable of...?





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         Date Posted: 11/18/2005 6:41 AM                       


The fact that 40% of  women in a group are multi-orgasmic proves multiple orgasms are easy to achieve for women.

Also, be aware that these women became multi-orgasmic over time without trying. This phenomenon occure in women spontaneously with time.

>Men cannot become multi-orgasmic spontaneously without a particular training. Our physiological response to sexual stimulation is simply different.

One of the main difference that allows women for achieving multiple orgasms more easily is thier absence of a refractory period.

 

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         Date Posted: 11/18/2005 12:52 PM                               

>Two hundred women treated for neurotic disorders and 100 female health professionals and counselors were investigated by means of a questionnaire to establish, whether they can have two or more consecutive orgasms.

This study did not record whether or not these women were "trying," only whether or not they were capable. Many women experience multiple orgasms, but have to exert effort in order to do so, unless, of course, they benefit from some form of sexual education and training. And of course, some women are naturally very talented when it comes to FMO's.

>It is possible that nurses, medical doctors and psychologists use their better knowledge of sexuality in their sexual activities to obtain more effective stimulation for fuller use of their sexual capacity.

That sounds like a form of trying to me, or at least education.

>Men cannot become multi-orgasmic spontaneously without a particular training.

That's not entirely true. A study was done at Rutger's University by Dr. Beverly Whipple, that observed a man experiencing a large number of ejaculatory orgasms in rapid succession, without a refractory period. He claimed this was a typical sexual experience for him. And to be honest, when I was teenager, I could experience quite a few ejaculations in a row, without a refractory period myself. And I had no "training" in the matter. It's a rare trait among males, but it does exist in nature.

However, yes, I agree that for practical purposes, men require some form of education in order to learn MMO's. But then again, consider how many instructional books, videos, and classes exist for the purpose of teaching women how to experience orgasm and multiple orgasms. Why do you think these things exist if women don't need them?

>Our physiological response to sexual stimulation is simply different.

Well, I both agree and disagree with that statement. There are different aspects of sexual repsonse, some are virtually identical in both sexes (for instance the way our nervous systems respond to sexual stimulation, breathing, heart rate, etc), and of course, there are obvious differences.

But I suspect that you're referring specifically to the commonly held belief that the more pleasure a man feels, the more he feels a need to ejaculate? If so, while I agree that most men feel this to be true from experience, it is not a "physiological" issue, so much as a behavioral one. Men can easily learn to alter the way in which they respond to sexual stimulation in order to bypass the urge to ejaculate completely, without having to exert any conscious control over their bodies. This results in "natural," spontaneous MMO's, that occur without any effort or concentration required.

More over, women who learn to retrain their response to sexual stimulation in the same way, tend to experience orgasms more spontaneously, without effort, and with far more pleasure, even if they were already multi-orgasmic prior to learning the technique.

>One of the main difference that allows women for achieving multiple orgasms more easily is their absence of a refractory period.

Yes, I agree. All things being equal, with no education or training involved, the refractory period is a limitation in orgasmic pleasure that women do not have.

However, when a man learns how to bypass the urge to ejaculate, and enjoy higher levels of arousal for extended periods of time, multiple orgasms occur spontaneously and the refractory period ceases to be an issue. Under these circumstances, the differences between men and women in sexual response are greatly reduced and the similiarities become more obvious.

You can read more about this phenomena here: http://multiples.com/a/index.php/ksmopan









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         Date Posted: 11/19/2005 3:39 PM                       


I didn't know women had to use special technique in order to become multi-orgasmic, it's true I'm not a woman though. What are these techniques?

So men can easily become multi-orgasmic. Then why are there special techniques?

 

The orgasmic differences between men and women are proven.

Int J Impot Res. 2002 Apr;14(2):133-5. 

Absence of orgasm-induced prolactin secretion in a healthy multi-orgasmic male subject.

Haake P, Exton MS, Haverkamp J, Kramer M, Leygraf N, Hartmann U, Schedlowski M, Krueger TH.

Department of Medical Psychology, University Clinic of Essen, Germany.

In several studies we have recently demonstrated that orgasm induces prolactin secretion in healthy males and females. This suggests that prolactin may form a feedback regulator of the refractory period following orgasm. To examine this position we investigated the prolactin response of a healthy multi-orgasmic male subject. Blood was drawn continuously during masturbation-induced orgasm. The prolactin response of the case-subject was compared with that of nine healthy adult men with a normal refractory period. The case-subject showed no prolactin response to three orgasms. Data from this multi-orgasmic subject support the hypothesized role of plasma prolactin in contributing to sexual-satiation mechanisms.

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         Date Posted: 11/19/2005 5:05 PM                               

>I didn't know women had to use special technique in order to become multi-orgasmic, it's true I'm not a woman though.

Obviously, not all women do. For instance, a small percentage of women experience Female Ejaculation naturally, without any kind of effort involved. But most women do not. However there are a growing number of instructional books, videos, and classes dedicated to teaching women techniques that help them accomplish this rare but natural female ability.

Similiarly, most women are able to enjoy clitoral orgasms, but a much smaller percentage enjoy vaginal and/or g-spot orgasms. Therefore, there are many books, videos, etc dedicated to assisting women in learning how to experience vaginal and g-spot orgasms. It's natural ability and yet many women require some advice, education, and yes, techniques in order to learn how to enjoy g-spot orgasms.

>What are these techniques?

Well, there are a number of methods - tantric, taoist, modern, etc.

Here's a website dedicated to helping women become orgasmic:

http://www.bettydodson.com/newhom2.htm

And some specific techniques...

http://www.bettydodson.com/7techniq.htm

And of course, just look at Tantra.com or any tantra website that sells products, or google words like tantra-female-orgasm, female ejaculation, etc.

So men can easily become multi-orgasmic. Then why are there special techniques?

>Yes, men can easily become orgasmic with effective techniques. And of course, a very small number of men are naturally multi-orgasmic.

But I think it's obvious that the majority of both genders require "special" techniques, educations, etc in order to reach their maximum sexual potential.

You mentioned that:The fact that 40% of women in a group are multi-orgasmic proves multiple orgasms are easy to achieve for women.

But the study itself said that group had a higher than average rate of multiple orgasms specifically due to the fact: nurses, medical doctors and psychologists use their better knowledge of sexuality in their sexual activities to obtain more effective stimulation for fuller use of their sexual capacity.

So, if the group which, according to the study, has the higher potential for achieving multiple orgasms due to superior education and understanding of physiology, still has only a 40% success ratio, is it logical to conclude that multiple orgasms are naturally easy to achieve for all women?

If it's so easy for women as a whole, shouldn't that number be much higher, or at least a majority?




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         Date Posted: 11/20/2005 2:03 PM                       


40% is considered a very important number.

>But the study itself said that group had a higher than average rate of multiple orgasms specifically due to the fact: nurses, medical doctors and psychologists use their better knowledge of sexuality in their sexual activities to obtain more effective stimulation for fuller use of their sexual capacity.

I see. Do you think 40% of doctors are multi-orgasmic?

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         Date Posted: 11/20/2005 9:59 PM                               

>40% is considered a very important number.

Please explain why. My point was that it's illogical to say that it's "easy" for women to have multiple orgasms, if the highest success ratio is 40% in a group that is considered to have an advantage over the average.

>I see. Do you think 40% of doctors are multi-orgasmic?

By "doctors" you mean to say male doctors? Or did you want me to make a guess about the success ratio of male and female doctors combined?

Regardless, once again I think the point is whether one can reasonably say that multiple orgasms are "easy" for women to achieve on average. I say, according to the statistics, that is not true. If it were, there would be a majority of multi-orgasmic women.








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         Date Posted: 11/21/2005 8:53 AM                       


Ok, I'm going to add 2 more things and stop posting on this board because i'm losing my time here.

Sorry, I meant male doctors. So the question was: I didn't know 40% of male doctors were multi-orgasmic.

40% compared to less than 1% (multi-orgasmic men) is considered an important number to any scientist. The majority?? this is not a scientific notion! lol. 51% of cows are white... thus cows are white. I think I'm indeed losing my time here.

Anyway, know that if 40% of women (nurses and all) are multi-orgasmic without probably not having spent a hundredth of the time you spent studying multiple orgasms, it means it's pretty easy for a woman to become multi-orgasmic. Ok, since you're a foreigner to science and stats, it means for a woman statistically, not for a given woman.

Good luck, guys!

 

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         Date Posted: 11/21/2005 1:29 PM                               

>Ok, I'm going to add 2 more things and stop posting on this board because i'm losing my time here.

Very well. Thanks for the studies.

>Sorry, I meant male doctors. So the question was: I didn't know 40% of male doctors were multi-orgasmic.

Thanks for clarifying. I must say, I think your statement was very appropriate for this discussion. It's a classic example of how, even as we recieve new information, our previous conclusions about reality tend to remain in place, even to the point where we may completely overlook the obvious.

Were you aware that in the U.S. there are currently more women in medical school than men? Being a man of science and statistics, I'm sure you already heard that somewhere (or perhaps read it in a study). I'm also quite sure you've noticed that there are plenty female doctors out there. And yet, in the back of your mind, "doctor" still means "a man who practices medicine." Isn't that interesting? Can we think of any other topics in which this tendency might have an effect on our percpetion of reality? Hmm...

>40% compared to less than 1% (multi-orgasmic men) is considered an important number to any scientist. The majority?? this is not a scientific notion! lol.

We've already agreed that, yes, women tend to enjoy multiple orgasms more easily and often than men. Once again, I was addressing the blanket statement you made about multiple orgasms being "easy" for women to achieve as a whole, which is an entirely different topic of conversation.

I simply asked you to explain why 40% was a "very important number," as it applies to women as a whole being multi-orgasmic. Because, in my opinion, in order for something to be considered "easy," it is usually accomplished more often than not, or by a majority of those who attempt it.

Ok, so the use of majority vs. minority is not a "scientific notion." How scientific is the concept of "easy?" How do you measure "easy?"

Look, this isn't a "scientific" website. It's a discussion board for people who already are or are seeking to become, multi-orgasmic. And on that note, most of us have the courtesy to actually discuss our experiences or offer advice, rather than just posting random studies along with a single sentence.

>51% of cows are white... thus cows are white. I think I'm indeed losing my time here.

Or wasting ours...

>Anyway, know that if 40% of women (nurses and all) are multi-orgasmic without probably not having spent a hundredth of the time you spent studying multiple orgasms, it means it's pretty easy for a woman to become multi-orgasmic.

I may not be a scientist, but I know a double-negative and a run-on sentence when I see one. I guess we all have our little areas of expertise now don't we? And in answer to your final "statement" I would simply suggest this: give the scientific journals a rest and go talk to a sexologist or tantra instructor who specializes in assisting women in becoming orgasmic and multi-orgasmic. Ask them how "easy" it is for every women who walks through their door...

Oh, and as for my personal experience in learning MMO's, I did spend a great deal of time trying to learn MMO's with techniques that were not effective for me (PC exercises, Tantra, Taoist Sexual Chi Gung).

However, from the time I began practicing KSMO (a.k.a. The Multiple Orgasm Trigger technique), to the time when I had my first multiple orgasm, was about 3 weeks of practice, approximately 15-20 minutes a day, and required no "effort" whatsoever. I was 26 years old at the time.

For an interesting comparison, if you read the latest issue of Playboy (Dec. 2005), you'll see that Marilyn Monroe did not have her first orgasm until she was 34. And how did she do it? Her male psychiatrist gave her instructions on how to masturbate.

>Ok, since you're a foreigner to science and stats

Well, here we go again with another blanket statement. Just because I don't spend the majority of my time taking the easy way out by cutting and pasting studies, and prefer to engage in actual conversation...

But hey, if that makes me a "foreigner" to science, so be it. Better that than a foreigner to multiple orgasms...

>Good luck, guys!

And good luck to you "Ritz," I have a very unscientific feeling that you're going to need it.

;-)